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The Prezence of Seed/Wholeness- Dane Rudhyar
3560 otázku odeslal(a) zapisovatel v Pátek 17.Března 2006 06:10:44
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"...and of course the/?/ work are very confused and very confusing in many cases. But a new culture, a new age cannot start without a new process of thinking as a foundation. And that does, that new mind, does not exclude feeling, certainly not, but it can be feeling at a new level of experience. As I think I said feelings are the colour and perfume of relationships."
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Re: The Prezence of Seed/Wholeness- Dane Rudhyar
1 odpověď odeslal(a) zapisovatel v Pátek 17.Března 2006 16:34:32
But mind alone builds a structure. It brings to a concrete manifestation principle of organization. To formulate such principle in several fields of activity, this has been my life-long intend and effort and that is what I want particularly to stress today.
The work that I have been intended to do, and I hope to do to some extend, has not been meant only to give fleeting inspirational /life/ nice, beautiful, /images/ which take you away to some extend from the /drouwness/ of the image which our business life or everyday life present us.
But in astrology it has been also to give new techniques, better adapted to the new situation which was produced by the rise of depth psychology. As I said on Friday what I have tried to do has been based first on the realization that mankind constitute a transition state, a ride of passage, a moving toward a superhuman, supercultural planetary and in a sense superphysical state of being. Then also to show that our European – American culture had reached a situation in which the Greek /ebriet/ tradition and approach to life which had now taken a new condition in the eighteenth century had to be definitely transformed because they had reached a dangerous point. Now what you must realize and perhaps you don´t realize it what was considered as basic philosophical principle before , in the 18th century, and you see that in the Declaration of Independence, Constitution and all that , have been considered as self-evident truth . Now, when things become self-evident in that sense, then there is as it were new possibility to discuss it or to even challenge it. They are self-evident.
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Re: The Prezence of Seed/Wholeness- Dane Rudhyar
2 odpověď odeslal(a) zapisovatel v Pátek 17.Března 2006 20:32:59
20. That is something which has never happened before in history. The individualism, the egalitarianism which Europe and America understood in the 18th century term have unfortunately and almost inevitably become full of potentially destructive factors.
When as soon as they become associated rigidly and not in egocentric terms and particularly in the relation to the new energies that were released by the industrial revolution. Who might say astrologically speaking that when Uranus meets Neptune at the whole biological level, Pluto then has to operate in the destructive way. In the way of reductionism. Reductionism is the key to the twentieth century development .
Freud reduced genius, culture, religion to sex energy – libido, Jung and humanistic psychology in a very different way but also the important way, reduced the entire potential of the human state of being to personality.
It is a reductive interpretation /if it is believed essentially rooted in biological needs and impulses/ If the person in the state of personhood is so rooted in those biological needs and impulses it cannot be a seed. A person has to experience the process of uprooting in order to be a transition between two states - the animal stage and I do not use the term animal in a negative sense, it´s a perfectly beautiful state of consciousness, and a quasi-divine superhuman state. As I say the Path is that transition, it is possible to individual persons who are ready for such an uprooting, who are ready for such uprooting, and I stress again /know up, no rush it/.
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Re: The Prezence of Seed/Wholeness- Dane Rudhyar
3 odpověď odeslal(a) zapisovatel v Sobotu 18.Března 2006 07:38:29
21.When a person /starts/ on the Path, what is very often necessary and it was well understood by - in a realistic sense - by alchemists and members of secret societies like Rosicrucians and all that, but which is rather difficult to understand perhaps by the new generation educated in terms of new ideal of permissiveness and so on, and as a person opens to constant relationship to / par…, find discipline/ and all that, is to live as it were at two different levels simultaneously.
When as long as we are still bound to and related to the environment and that as dominated constantly your consciousness and we accept that domination almost /what you might say, 24 hours a day, we still are not able to understand the real situation. We have very often to realize, we have to realize always, that what is a personhood - is a means to an end, it is as it were the crucible in which the process of metamorphosis of human into superhuman can /end/ and must have place. This process of transformation cannot develop anywhere else except in a person but that means that simultaneously we sometimes and most of the time if we are honest with ourselves we live as a person fulfilling our social, cultural situation, the way we have to live, to make a living or to live in our family and so on. But we have also to try to live at the centre of our inner life, a centre definitely and soon irrevocably oriented towards the process of transformation and inspired by its end purpose which are described as participation in the Pleroma.
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Re: The Prezence of Seed/Wholeness- Dane Rudhyar
4 odpověď odeslal(a) Jiří v Sobotu 18.Března 2006 10:04:05
"But a new culture, a new age cannot start without a new process of thinking as a foundation..."
To jako znamená vyměnit staré myšlení za nové?
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Re: The Prezence of Seed/Wholeness- Dane Rudhyar
5 odpověď odeslal(a) zapisovatel v Sobotu 18.Března 2006 12:20:59
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in theosophical book very often as the White lodge the term has been so terribly misunderstood in many cases that I rather use that term Pleroma which is more extensive and deal more with the fullness of the planets life.
The Pleroma as I see it is a planetary reality, it is global, it includes all human being potentially, it only does so actually when they are no longer attached and psychically bound to their culture. Any culture is local. According to any culture who does not belong to the culture is the potential enemy or is inferior type of person. And of course there are times where a culture at the end opens itself to other culture/s/ and develops what you might call a pan-cultural kind of state. And that is to some extend the state that we have try to reach at the present time. But it is only a temporary stage or as it were and it is a stage which is not completely basic and creative because it accepts everything without realizing perhaps what the foundation/s/ of that particular things was /and stresses a general think/ and it really deals only with the few millennia at best.
This process of transformation of which I am speaking is essentially subjective. It develops often and been known to our personal consciousness in our inner life.
It develops at one of the two levels at which a person on the path of transformation actually operate. Now that inner level has been often referred as that of great dreams. What I believe is at work.
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Re: The Prezence of Seed/Wholeness- Dane Rudhyar
6 odpověď odeslal(a) Jiří v Sobotu 18.Března 2006 12:54:20
Ten otazník znamená, že Zapisovatel nerozumí česky?
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Re: The Prezence of Seed/Wholeness- Dane Rudhyar
7 odpověď odeslal(a) zapisovatel v Sobotu 18.Března 2006 14:43:57
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Is more than merely dreams as I flexion, but a very real process at a superphysical level of being. One should not think of those so called Great Dreams as purely symbolical. They are dealing something which happens to the individual in his deepest consciousness at a higher level where eventually that higher level and a personal level will meet together. They will meet to fulfil the purpose of humanity which is to move to be a transition toward a new superhuman state of consciousness.
What is important, is to realize that one of the best ways to go to that process is to feel as it were what I have called in my last books the movement of wholeness, the cyclic power which move through the entire movement of wholeness, through the entire process of the development of being, as it were. Wholeness in not merely an abstraction, it certainly should not be that in an individual consciousness . It is a presence, it should be a dynamic presence, it should be a moving experience. We should become a tune to that rhythmic cyclic motion. If our will is at tune to it, it will carry us forward through any crisis.
We may not know consciously where we are going but we can remain secure if we are in tune with that movement of wholeness.
For religious people it is God´s will but as I see it, this must abused and misused word God should be given a realistic experienceable meaning. Now we may imagine or experience such a being in many ways. Paul spoke of the mystic body of Christ in whom we live, move and have our being. As I said the Theosophists speak often of the White Lodge and I use instead the old Gnostic term the Pleroma. The important point is not the word but the kind of relationship implicit in our individual experience, our intuition, our vision of the planetary state toward which the whole of humanity is very slowly moving cycle after cycle.
It is not merely an ideal, an utopia, it is the next reality. We can be on the way to become it as we first fulfil, then transcend our individuality but this individuality in a mysterious way seems to be retained as an identity in a new frame of reference.
The realization at the Earth /as/ a whole being is I think essential today. It can renew and transform and reinterpret all occult ideas, many things that are very mysterious but that could be very simply understood if we understood what I mean by the Earth being. But that Earth being let me stress is not to be understood as mother nature or Gaia, it is not merely a living organism. It exists, develops, is active at several levels and not merely life. It is active as a material Globe which has very complex rhythm of continents, polar shifts etc.
It is active at the biological layer of the surface of the material globe because it is there that forces from the Earth centre meet cosmic energies and absorb various material from space.
It is active also at what has been called the noosphere, which is the product activity of mind. Mind active at different levels, some low levels which I call the psychosphere, some higher levels which deal with the creation and the formulation of archetype which become the pattern on which culture after culture develop in order to reach the final state with what you can call the spirit field. Which includes and pervades everything. Which /should define/ whatever elements constitute the soul of the Planetary being . God in a realistic effective sense is not so much the whole of those levels but it is the wholeness of whatever is. The word "divine" should be used to refer to whatever is totally imbiduous and transparent to the Presence of wholeness. Any individual person can at least partially and for a brief moment
reach that state as what was before only a separate Self, I, ego, realize his or her plays and function in the Pleroma in the soul of the Earth being.
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Re: The Prezence of Seed/Wholeness- Dane Rudhyar
8 odpověď odeslal(a) zapisovatel v Neděli 19.Března 2006 09:19:34
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I am afraid I have already said too much particularly for my voice and you can find it in my recent books after Planetarisation of Consciousness. It constitutes a whole vision, the formulation
of a new mind and I think it could be a solid foundation for a new culture. Now, as I am with you today, I am concluding what has been the most productive decade of my life, which was made so much possible with the help and sustainment of Leila, was allowed me to devote my entire time and energy to write half a dozen books and several hours of music, all of which is now concluded. It is evident to me that that life work in all those spheres is now ending, I can only repeat myself and I am not really willing to do so..........
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Re: The Prezence of Seed/Wholeness- Dane Rudhyar
9 odpověď odeslal(a) Jiří v Neděli 19.Března 2006 09:44:49
Díky zapisovateli začínám pomalu chápat averzi pana Kubika na Dane Rudhyara...
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Re: The Presence of Seed/Wholeness- Dane Rudhyar
10 odpověď odeslal(a) zapisovatel v Neděli 19.Března 2006 09:47:50
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……or,anyway, done it already. All I want and not have tried to do is to point to what can be done as some individuals or groups of the new generation have been trying to do very often, not too successfully, because the lack the proper mental foundation, the proper structure to build ground. And as I repeat, you cannot build without a structure. I think I would recommend particularly people to read my book Occult Preparation for a New Age was one of the first /one along/ that metaphysical level that have been published, and I think it can help to bring quite a great deal that is important.
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Re: The Prezence of Seed/Wholeness- Dane Rudhyar
11 odpověď odeslal(a) Jiří v Neděli 19.Března 2006 10:08:42
Svého času zaplavovala náš kulturní prostor ruština, teď nám stejně "skvělou" službu dělá angličtina...
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Re: The Prezence of Seed/Wholeness- Dane Rudhyar
12 odpověď odeslal(a) zapisovatel v Neděli 19.Března 2006 12:05:57
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I think we are now in a very important time where Pluto is very active as it enters the sphere of Neptune very close or as close as it can be from the solar system. I spoke of Pluto sometimes as a seed because in the seed everything is reduced to what is absolutely necessary. Every space and relationship is significant as a basic cultural archetypal place. That of course means that we have at the same time to experience the futility and waste of energy of all that asks to be dropped and that we are ready and willing to receive a vision or intuition of what the right of passage, the function of humanity is meant to perform, what it means and what it can lead to.
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Re: The Prezence of Seed/Wholeness- Dane Rudhyar
13 odpověď odeslal(a) George v Neděli 19.Března 2006 12:28:17
Futility over futility...
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Re: The Prezence of Seed/Wholeness- Dane Rudhyar
14 odpověď odeslal(a) zapisovatel v Neděli 19.Března 2006 13:11:10
-has to be dropped
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What it leads to for any individual, who is ready and has the courage to meet crises, is its place and function in the planetary being at the level of the soul of this being. This place and function is only potential today, I repeat. It can only be made an actual reality by the individual persons who accept to path to the crises of the Path.
Only the individualized person can do the actualisation. He or she must do it by acting, thinking, feeling as an individual, not as a mere part of a collective mass feeling or consciousness of mankind.
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Re: The Prezence of Seed/Wholeness- Dane Rudhyar
15 odpověď odeslal(a) zapisovatel v Neděli 19.Března 2006 13:23:31
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You tried the Path in a way alone and yet not alone. How implicit potential divinity comes to meet us as we reach toward it. We may call it higher self, in India it was the guru, who was supposed to be a clear lens to give us a feeling reflection of what the divine state was. However, if we are individualized enough already as a member of our modern lives and society, free from biology and culture, we need not have that kind of physically embodied guru yet. We almost always need at first a mentor to destroy, dissolve structure of the traditional cultural mind as well as to introduce us to the new mind basic principles of organization. Strangely enough the process is easier when the culture is disintegrating, it creates tension of course, but that tension is necessary to inside and give strength to our will to metamorphosis.
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Re: The Presence of Seed/Wholeness- Dane Rudhyar
16 odpověď odeslal(a) zapisovatel v Neděli 19.Března 2006 13:44:31
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This new mind is only a structural foundation but it is necessary.
In my whole life I have tried to provide such a foundation in terms which could inspire the generation following mine. I have done all I could on the difficult circumstances. And now it is your full responsibility. The power that tell my whole being as a lens to bring ideas to some focus will be released when I go. Perhaps when the person that I appear to be is gone, it may be easier to tune up to the wholeness of the spirit, to the freed seed. And when that going to be no one can say and no one can predict and it´s no use to think about it.
/As/ it is now I have stated, what I know is my truth and for me incontrovertibly reality. Do with it what you will, as you will, as you are able to.
May you live, think and act in term of the wholeness. You are in the presence of wholeness.
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Re: The Presence of Seed/Wholeness- Dane Rudhyar
17 odpověď odeslal(a) zapisovatel v Neděli 19.Března 2006 13:55:50
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May you act, feel, think and have faith.
Faith, courage, patience. Endurance.
May this be everyday your companion as will still be my love and sustainment in whatever state of being I shall be in the /days/ years ahead.
Please, my friends, this is the end of that second conference of Rita, may you carry the implied message. May the power of that message remains with you as long as you can hold it in your consciousness.
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Re: The Presence of Seed/Wholeness- Dane Rudhyar
18 odpověď odeslal(a) zapisovatel v Neděli 19.Března 2006 14:00:16
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And now please go away in peace and silence.
I bless you, the whole universe is waiting for you.
Be true to yourself. Thank you.