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Prezence of seed/wholeness - 24.III.I985
3475 otázku odeslal(a) zapisovatel ve Čtvrtek 19.Ledna 2006 09:26:11
..."Yet, when a person tries to be a Self, bringing psychomental contents to state of integration, he or she must nevertheless, always and inevitably operate in term of the stage of the culture, which has been reached at that time.
You can never deny the basic nature of the relation of a person to his culture as a whole."
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Re: Prezence of seed/wholeness - 24.III.I985
1 odpověď odeslal(a) zapisovatel ve Čtvrtek 19.Ledna 2006 12:48:12
..."And that culture of course can pass through a number of stages, if you want four, five of them that we´ll mention very briefly:
The first stage of a culture, and you find that development very much of course in toin be my book on history. The first stage is a useful stage in the terms of our western culture up to about 9 hundred AD.Human groups and powerful men tried to established their biological territory as it were creating, building, fortified castles from which they could rule and protect also the surrounding country and people.
And then the second one was a stabilizing process, or phase, establishing of church pattern, of philosophical concept, the development of university twelve hundred and so on in Paris, in Italy, the development of a formanistic kind of approach. Using in the mediaval time what remained of Plato and the Greek culture, learning from those Greek and Roman ancient models. And that led into what is usually called or was called the classical era, an era of objectivity and maturity, power, reason and so on."
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Re: Prezence of seed/wholeness - 24.III.I985
2 odpověď odeslal(a) Jiří ve Čtvrtek 19.Ledna 2006 13:20:54
Povšimněme si, prosím, důrazu kladeného na zvýraznění role maskulina v dějinotvorném procesu:
...and powerful men tried to...
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Re: Prezence of seed/wholeness - 24.III.I985
3 odpověď odeslal(a) Turnovský ve Čtvrtek 19.Ledna 2006 16:42:20
men = lidé
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Re: Prezence of seed/wholeness - 24.III.I985
4 odpověď odeslal(a) Jiří v Pátek 20.Ledna 2006 08:38:50
Slovník na Seznam.cz říká toto:
men - zaměstnanci
men - mužové
men - mužský
men & women - muži a ženy
men (pl) - lidé
men (pl) - muži
men (pl) - osoby
men and pandas - lidé a pandy
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Re: Prezence of seed/wholeness - 24.III.I985
5 odpověď odeslal(a) Petr Lukeš v Sobotu 21.Ledna 2006 10:38:59
men - člověk (muž nebo žena)
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Re: Prezence of seed/wholeness - 24.III.I985
6 odpověď odeslal(a) zapisovatel v Sobotu 21.Ledna 2006 11:22:32
Then comes a period which can be interpreted in a very /brother/ sense of the term as a change of the mid-life. And that is of course the Romanticism. It started with the Industrial Revolution, the very beginning of it,......music.......Bethoven or Goethe and his famous Werthe.
A sense of power, a sense of possibility, of eagerness to use it, to live full as possible experience as a person. But to live it at that time within the culture....The Romantic f....... fint itself in that culture....but it never really...it never....essential validity of the culture until especially a man like Nietzsche began and...I mentioned the influence that...my life...One of two ...of going beyond ....the example of my parents, my family, my close family and ...Then you have the last period, the beginning of desintegration of culture...and no longer able to do it or make a mess of it...Whenever...the implied goal an ideal of...break down through popularization and the development of mass vibration and this mostly in order to gain to the use of a new energies that have been discovered....then the culture begins to desintegrate, everything begins to be vulgarized...all culture have been vulgarized and reached to a condition of ...
Now I have mentioned...you vill find....The things that...want to stress particularly today....in...not only the bigger picture...try to individualize...able to find...spontaneous, free...which of course lead to the desintegration...When I was 16, that was very long ago, 19...I began for the first time realize
that our European culture ...far-off land, full of barbarians...I mean for Parisian people, anyway.
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Re: Prezence of seed/wholeness - 24.III.I985
7 odpověď odeslal(a) zapisovatel v Sobotu 21.Ledna 2006 12:04:52
When I began to realize that our culture was reaching slowly that autumn period, I realized that in the autumn there were two possibilities. The possibility of following the rhythm of the leaves which can become the most beautiful in their golden aspect, the poignancy of the autumn forest, but that poignancy is due to the fact that the gold will turn brown and the brown will fall down and the brown will decay. That´s one possibility, the other possibility is to be - to a tune yourself and try to belong to the kingdom or the realm of the seed, the seed which is varied in conspicuous, which can only be seen, which immediately it leaves the plant, falls to the ground and is lost and /answer/decay.But though it protects itself - BECAUSE it is able to protect itself, it is able to hold the possibility of a new life in the spring.
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Re: Prezence of seed/wholeness - 24.III.I985
8 odpověď odeslal(a) Jiří v Sobotu 21.Ledna 2006 12:34:26
Je mi líto, ale opět zde nalézám zdůraznění významu mužského činitele a to dokonce jmenovitě, viz:
.......Bethoven or Goethe...
...a man like Nietzsche...
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Re: Prezence of seed/wholeness - 24.III.I985
9 odpověď odeslal(a) zapisovatel v Sobotu 21.Ledna 2006 13:01:40
Now one thing that I probably didn´t stress enough in my books is that a seed grows in the fruit and plant. At first before it is able to separate itself from the plant and fall to the ground. But in any case at any stage the moment you can speak of a seed you have to realize that that seed allegiance is to the species as a whole
and not to the mother plant. In order to fulfill
its function the seed must be inwardly, essentially separated in vibration and purpose.
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Re: Prezence of seed/wholeness - 24.III.I985
10 odpověď odeslal(a) zapisovatel v Sobotu 21.Ledna 2006 13:14:30
Now, we must differentiate between the process of maturation within the fruit and then what happened after the plant separated itself from the fruit and fall to the ground and has reached that stage of maturity. That stage of maturing within the plant is actually the stage at which most people who have a realization of their eventual individual seedhood and freedom and individuality find themselves. They are in a process of maturing.
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Re: Prezence of seed/wholeness - 24.III.I985
11 odpověď odeslal(a) Dostalíková v Sobotu 21.Ledna 2006 15:20:27
S dovolením pánové, Váš pan Bethoven se správně jmenuje Beethoven...
S.
PS - jeho "Óda na radost" je hymnou EU...
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Re: Prezence of seed/wholeness - 24.III.I985
12 odpověď odeslal(a) Vanda v Sobotu 21.Ledna 2006 18:19:14
Spíš mě, Jiří, zajímá, proč jsi tento moment zdůraznil ty?
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Re: Prezence of seed/wholeness - 24.III.I985
13 odpověď odeslal(a) Jiří v Sobotu 21.Ledna 2006 19:48:10
Vando, snažím se pochopit, co vlastně nám onen "zapisovatel" chce sdělit...
... a tohle mi z toho vyšlo...
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Re: Prezence of seed/wholeness - 24.III.I985
14 odpověď odeslal(a) Petr Lukeš v Pondělí 23.Ledna 2006 10:58:29
ten preklad co jsem napsal nahoře - je to chyba.
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Re: Prezence of seed/wholeness - 24.III.I985
15 odpověď odeslal(a) zapisovatel v Úterý 24.Ledna 2006 13:00:32
"...Their intend ideal and the process which they are undergoing is gradually to detach themselves in consciousness and that means to develop a new mind. That doesn't mean that there is not an emotional nature but that the emotional nature is still being fed and to a large extend had touched to the particular fruit of the plant in which that seed is forming.
In order to form as a seed it has to be sustained by the energy, as it were, and the substance of the fruit which it absorbed what it needs from. And it is a very long process. The commitment, the allegiance is to the species as a whole. It is not local. As I said the seed must be separated from the fruit. Many cases it's blown away. It should experience a total commitment to the whole species in any new local where it is blown up, as it were, by the process of its formation. Now I wish that people do not take literally this illustration of the symbol of the seed. It has only of course a limited sense even I think it is very revealing. It has been, I am afraid, very much misunderstood by many people who consider themselves like a follower, a disciple or whatever you want to call them."
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Re: Prezence of seed/wholeness - 24.III.I985
16 odpověď odeslal(a) zapisovatel v Úterý 24.Ledna 2006 13:44:34
"...Particularly in relation to what has been called the seed-group, people have spoken of a seed-group: "Oh, I am joining that seed-group" and they are spoken of it in family term. You join the seed group with wife, husband, children and all what you have... in your mind, as it were,but that is not at all what I mean by a seed-group. The seed-group, and I define it very precisely, is made only of individuals who have centred their consciousness, their sense of identity and will at a level dynamised by the commitment to humanity as a whole. And they accepted possibility of reaching a more than human, more than cultural state of being, that state which I spoke of on Friday.
That level beyond the strictly human level of experience as well as existence. Now the intend of the people who belong to the seed-group or anew
enter them as at least potentially seed, that intend may not be completely fulfilled but it has to be yearn for, clearly, it has to be an ideal one is aware of, even if one is not able to realistically implement it and it is really another way of speaking what occultism in a more definite and rigid sense speaks of as the Path, as often called the Path of discipleship.
One must be ready for that Path."
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Re: Prezence of seed/wholeness - 24.III.I985
17 odpověď odeslal(a) zapisovatel v Úterý 24.Ledna 2006 14:01:38
"...The flower has first to be fecundated, the seed has to be begin to mature within the fruit, but it is a long process and it involves many crises and please let me not hearing /anywhat/. I think I mentioned or maybe I did not, I am not sure now, a word which was very profound that the Russian revolutionary Lenin said before he took control, that a premature revolution can be the worst thing that happen to a society or a culture.
My purpose has been to make people THINK in a new way. You have to think in a new way, then that new way calls for a new technigue. And a new technique can be studied and used in a correct way."
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Re: Prezence of seed/wholeness - 24.III.I985
18 odpověď odeslal(a) zapisovatel v Pátek 27.Ledna 2006 13:47:28
".../Mistress/ Blavatsky I think, one of her last statements before she died in 1892 I guess.. was: "Change the mind of the twentieth century."
That was what the theosophical movement was supposed to do. And to a large extend it had done it behind the scene by bringing a concept of reincarnation and all sorts of things that are happening in science which really are all implied in the Secret Doctrine, if you know how to read it. But she had to speak of course to a Victorian age people who had no idea of what she was speaking of..."
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Re: Presence of seed/wholeness - 24.III.I985
19 odpověď odeslal(a) zapisovatel v Neděli 19.Března 2006 08:19:45
11.
Then comes a period which can be interpreted in the very broaden sense of the term as the change of the middle life. And that is of course Romanticism. It started with the industrial revolution, the very beginning of it with a music, with a man like Beethoven or Goethe and his famous Werther and so on.
A sense of power, a sense of possibility, of an eagerness to use it, to live full as possible experience as a person.
But to live it at that time within the culture. The romantic fought maybe to find himself in the culture but it never really questioned the essential validity of the culture. Until especially a man like Nietzsche began to write and talk and I mention the influence that it had on my life because at that time that was one of the two possibilities that was presented to me of going beyond the culture, beyond all what I had taken for granted in my childhood, the example of my parents, my family, close family and so on.
Then you have the last period. The beginning of the disintegration of culture pattern whenever /a.. lead/ who was supposed to hold those patterns and embolism as examples and no longer able to do it /or/ make a mess of it, whenever- what used to be the goal, the implied goal, an ideal of the culture, a breakdown though popularisation and the development of mass vibration and this mostly in order to gain unwieldy power and wealth through the use of a new energy that have been discovered during industrial revolution and all that, then the culture begins to disintegrate. Everything begins to be vulgarised. And vulgarisation is of course the /kin …/ of all what is happening in the world today. All cultures have been vulgarised and reached to a condition of decay.
Now, I have mentioned that before in my book particularly Beyond Individualism you will find the /deal/ expression of those processes. And the book has been now translated very well in French and so on.
The things that I wanted to stress particularly today is not only the bigger picture in which the individual can try to individualize its consciousness today and become a – not only a person as a member of a community- but as an individual, spontaneous, free, able to find his own truth, his own difference from the mass vibration which of course leads to the disintegration of the leaf in the fall, symbolically. As did I mentioned it on Friday when I was sixteen, that was very long ago- 1911, I began for the first time to realize that our European culture, and of course I didn´t know anything about America, it was a far-out land, /for/ barbarian and so on, I mean for Parisian people, anyway.