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Prezence of seed/wholeness, 24.III.I985 /ot.3342, 2.pokrač./
3459 otázku odeslal(a) překladatel v Sobotu 7.Ledna 2006 10:49:17
...."A human organism which is born or could be born without any contact with any other human being and especially in any cultural situation, situation established by a group, by a community or whatever, would not be a person. If it was not born in that it would be a physical organism, biological, animal organism, it would have the potentionality to become a person but it would not be a person.
You can only be a person if you communicate with other persons and establish relationship and contribute to a culture, but a culture which is established before you are born and which determine through contact with your family and the world around you and so on the patterns, the structure on which that personhood develop.
This is of course a very important and basic factor which I have stressed and stress particularly in the next book. The idea of people like Krishnamurti that you are born as individual, is from anything but their purely religious standpoint completely absorbed, because you are born as a member of a family, of a culture, and that family, that culture, the example around you completely mould the development of your mind, your ………?..and your personality up to the point when you begin to challenge that binding Which in olden days happened mostly in adolescence, nowaday we want to start it almost up you are born which makes it very confusing I am afraid for the child."
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Re: Prezence of seed/wholeness, 24.III.I985 /ot.3342, 2.pokrač./
1 odpověď odeslal(a) překladatel v Pondělí 9.Ledna 2006 21:25:04
Lidský organizmus, který je nebo by byl od narození bez jakéhokoli kontaktu s jinou lidskou bytostí a kulturním prostředím, ustaveným skupinou, komunitou nebo čímkoli jiným, by se nemohl stát lidským jedincem.. Jestliže by se nenarodil do uvedeného prostředí, byl by fyzickým organizmem – biologickým, zvířecím, sice by měl potenciál stát se člověkem, ale nemohl by jím být.Lidským jedincem můžete být jedině tehdy, když komunikujete s jiným člověkem, /other person/ a když ustavíte vztah a podílíte se na kultuře, která byla vybudována před vaším příchodem na svět a která podmiňuje skrze kontakt s vaší rodinou a se světem kolem vás,a tak dále, vzorce - strukturu, na čemž se vyvíjí tato individuálnost.
To je zajisté velmi důležitá a základní okolnost, kterou jsem zdůrazňoval a kterou zvlášť zdůrazním v příští knize. Myšlenka lidí jako např. Krishnamurti, že jste se narodili jako jedinec, nepochází z ničeho jiného než z jejich čistě náboženského, plně absorbovaného postoje, protože jste se narodili jako člen rodiny, kultury a ona rodina a kultura, příklad kolem vás, naprosto plně formoval rozvoj vaší mysli,………..a osobnosti až do bodu kdy jste začali tuto vazbu zpochybňovat. Což se v dávných dobách dělo většinou v adolescenci a dnes s tím chceme začínat téměř od narození, což může být být pro dítě velmi zmatečné, obávám se.
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Re: Prezence of seed/wholeness, 24.III.I985 /ot.3342, 2.pokrač./
2 odpověď odeslal(a) překladatel v Úterý 10.Ledna 2006 10:47:23
..."Anyway. The process to emerge from a culture as an individual person, as a person and as an individual, has been given particularly by Jung, Carl Jung – the psychologist, two very basic phases - one is the individualization which leads to the formation of what he calls an Ego, …conscious I – sense and so on. And the second phase which he calls the individuation. The two words are very different - individualization and individuation, and should be never mixed together, which is typical in a French translation.
Anyway, the individuation, as Jung says, is the assimilation of collective contents of the consciousness, by the consciousness, centered around a new possibility of integration which he called the Self. Then when that assimilation and integration are accomplished what Jung in most cases always advises was to return to the old culture but to return to it with a new approach, with a new sense of meaning which can to large extend transform it
But the thing which is essential is that Jung refused to admit the value of any metacultural or metaindividual reality, he refused to consider the posssibility of superhuman beings.
For him there was no level beyond the social culture
And that was really the same thing in the case of Jan Smuts and his book Holism.
What he called personality being the supreme bonum of evolution as far at least as we are able to understand.
What I called the Pleroma, a superhuman level of consciousness, was for Jung and others or like him a myth, it was the projection in the consciousness of archetypal image."